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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 12, 2010 11:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cream (redux)

That 4-22-67 show you mention from the Ricky Tick club, excellent recording - the Sunshine is the earliest live version, from before they recorded it, so it's kind of a rehearsal Sunshine....
Other good ones from the 'short solo' period are the Oct '66 Klooks Kleek tape, the March '67 Stockholm FM recording (which was a bonus disc on a Cream documentary DVD recently) - and there's a nice May '67 Marquee Club show which was put up on youtube a while ago (audio only), and another decent-sounding May show from the 'Tulip Bulb Auction Hall' - these May shows are notable for featuring some Disraeli Gears songs which were immediately dropped from their set & never heard again.

I've championed the 9-3-67 Fillmore tape before, pretty good sound & wild show - and there's a nice AUD from the Whiskey-a-go-go, LA show the day after, too. There's a really good show from Waltham, MA (usually dated 9-9-67) - good AUD sound, and similar to the fabled Detroit show, with a 20-minute NSU and huge Sunshine & Steppin' Out.
There's another Stockholm show, from 11-14-67, which I don't remember anything about. The Winterland 3-10-68 AUD tape is mostly duplicated by the live releases; there are some recently surfaced tapes of 3-3-68 and 3-18-68 which I haven't heard.
Most of the '68 AUDs are really for fanatical collectors only, not that great. The 4-5-68 Back Bay tape is the one that really stood out as an exceptional show.
The October '68 tour started off not so hot; though the 10-4-68 Oakland show is good-quality SBD, the Forum SBD from 10-19 is a better show (was used on the Goodbye album). The rest of the tour I don't remember, every show had much the same setlist; but I really liked the last Royal Albert Hall show even though the band didn't like it. (If you like that DVD, the Fresh Live Cream video has some excellent tunes from a small-club show, much better visually.)
Well, that's a little overview; I could've been more informative a few years ago but haven't listened to these in quite a while...

NSU, Sweet Wine, Spoonful, I'm So Glad - these were usually 'the big ones', but sometimes they'd add an extra long jam to Sunshine too. R&T and Traintime I could do without (they're always exactly the same & twice as long as they should be - oh, why didn't they do Cat's Squirrel live instead???)...but Steppin' Out I particularly like.
Midnight sun has mentioned their fixation on blues, which is definitely true (to be expected when you've got Clapton in the band), but I think they did a good job of picking a wide variety of blues songs (or varying their approach in each song), so there's not much repetitious 12-bar feel in any show.

They were definitely burning out by mid-'68, their last shows aren't as fiery as a year earlier. Jack Bruce has said how hard it was to come up with those long improvs every night, whether they felt like it or not, since the audiences demanded it (midnight sun also notes this) - but it wasn't the main reason for the breakup. I'd say the most important reasons were, 1. Jack & Ginger couldn't stand each other, 2. they were sick of touring, 3. after hearing the Band & seeing the negative Rolling Stone review, Clapton wanted out of Cream immediately. As a result, they could barely manage to record 3 songs for the Goodbye album, let alone carry on playing more music.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 13, 2010 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cream (redux)

Well, thanks for the other tips too! I should've realized from prior comments you knew what was available, and were just asking what I liked (but also thought perhaps you wanted tips--you clearly know them better than I do at this point...the AUDs and most SBDs are all relatively new to me).

Just curious--you have amassed both DEAD and CREAM collections, and devoted serious attn to both; did it happen about the same time with you? Was it the web based availability that got you into bands that from your description of your "youth", you weren't into 20-30 yrs ago? I put it that way from your comments about "not being interested in the DEAD at the 'time' back in the 80s" (? I think).

Thanks again for the info; glad to know we share the love for two exceptional band histories...Thanks to our own Arb, I now have access to all those shows you mentioned...as you may have gathered, I came to the web world relatively recently, and just had no idea all this stuff was available!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 13, 2010 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cream (redux)

As I've mentioned before, I was into Cream & Hendrix (and the Who, among other groups) before I liked the Dead. Those are bands I fell in love with instantly; you've read about how it took me years to get into the Dead because I heard the wrong stuff first. (Strangely, I've never been that into live Jefferson Airplane, though I like their albums...)

The web is completely responsible for me becoming a tape collector....until I got online in the mid-'90s, there's no way I could have found other tape traders, & was amazed to see people with tapelists online. So in that way, collecting was made easy for me; I didn't have to go through years of looking for random contacts or magazine ads like the old-timers.
Some people here have mentioned that they got more into the Dead after finding this huge Archive collection, but I was already intensely interested in them before discovering this place.